Comments on: Jim Bendtsen is an idiot http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/ personal blog on web standards and accessibility by Karl Dawson Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:06:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.6 by: Jim http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-514 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:46:56 +0000 http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-514 <blockquote> Come now- there are simply things that CANNOT be legislated into Liberal Political Correctness. A man cannot bear a child, for example. </blockquote> makes me think of "where would it gestate? in a box?" The idiots do seem to be out in force over the Target lawsuit. Must be very frustrating for the people who actually have intelligent, carefully constructed arguments in Targets favour. Their lawyers, for example.

Come now- there are simply things that CANNOT be legislated into Liberal Political Correctness. A man cannot bear a child, for example.

makes me think of “where would it gestate? in a box?”

The idiots do seem to be out in force over the Target lawsuit. Must be very frustrating for the people who actually have intelligent, carefully constructed arguments in Targets favour. Their lawyers, for example.

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by: Karl Dawson http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-511 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:43:06 +0000 http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-511 Oh yeah, good call Jon. Oh yeah, good call Jon.

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by: dotjay http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-510 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:28:55 +0000 http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-510 Just a note to anyone reading this who is tempted to take the <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060907/cgth051.html?.v=55" rel="nofollow">Yahoo! News item</a> at face value... It's really worth reading <a href="http://blog.fawny.org/2006/09/09/tarzhay1/" rel="nofollow">Joe Clark's item about the Target lawsuit</a> for clarifications, especially the bulleted list near the bottom. Just a note to anyone reading this who is tempted to take the Yahoo! News item at face value…

It’s really worth reading Joe Clark’s item about the Target lawsuit for clarifications, especially the bulleted list near the bottom.

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by: Mike Cherim http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-509 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 02:42:10 +0000 http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-509 Those guys remind me of kids who know it all at ten, then they turn fourteen and realize that they didn't know it all at ten. And when they turn twenty they realize how stupid they sounded at fourteen... and the process continues forever. As a parent I've told my kids I wanted to record what they say you I can play it back to them in a few years and will then appreciate my position at the time. I don't know if what those commenters wrote is the result of stupidity, ignorance, selfishness, or arrogance -- probably a combination -- but they remind me of the ten-year-olds in that they have a ways to go. Fortunately, on the web, their comments <em>are</em> recorded. They can look back at them someday, hopefully with a different stance, and maybe apologize for what they said back when. I despise lawsuits as a rule, but this whole Target matter could/should be a positive turning point. It should be anyway. Karl, nice article. Feel free to use anything I've written, if appropriate, to help you present the plain-speak advantages you're looking for. Those guys remind me of kids who know it all at ten, then they turn fourteen and realize that they didn’t know it all at ten. And when they turn twenty they realize how stupid they sounded at fourteen… and the process continues forever. As a parent I’ve told my kids I wanted to record what they say you I can play it back to them in a few years and will then appreciate my position at the time.

I don’t know if what those commenters wrote is the result of stupidity, ignorance, selfishness, or arrogance — probably a combination — but they remind me of the ten-year-olds in that they have a ways to go. Fortunately, on the web, their comments are recorded. They can look back at them someday, hopefully with a different stance, and maybe apologize for what they said back when.

I despise lawsuits as a rule, but this whole Target matter could/should be a positive turning point. It should be anyway. Karl, nice article. Feel free to use anything I’ve written, if appropriate, to help you present the plain-speak advantages you’re looking for.

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by: Jon Tan http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-508 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:06:44 +0000 http://www.thatstandardsguy.co.uk/blog/2006/09/29/jim-bendtsen-is-an-idiot/#comment-508 Thanks for the <a href="/2006/09/08/legal-precedent-set-for-web-accessibility/" rel="nofollow">previous update on the Target case</a> Karl. Comments like ones you cite always say much more about the author than whatever they attempt to infer about the topic. When the commercial, technological and social arguments are lost inaccessible apologists will invariably turn to the old "why do drive-thru ATM's bother having braille on the keypad" chestnut. Interestingly for me as an unwilling but successful litigator, the Target first defence of the ADA being inapplicable to their web site is so weak the fact that it even required a determination by the court speaks volumes about the lack of specificity in the Law. That is a much more important issue and if that determination is upheld when the case is finally decided it could move our agenda for positive accessible change forward significantly. Thanks for the previous update on the Target case Karl.

Comments like ones you cite always say much more about the author than whatever they attempt to infer about the topic. When the commercial, technological and social arguments are lost inaccessible apologists will invariably turn to the old “why do drive-thru ATM’s bother having braille on the keypad” chestnut.

Interestingly for me as an unwilling but successful litigator, the Target first defence of the ADA being inapplicable to their web site is so weak the fact that it even required a determination by the court speaks volumes about the lack of specificity in the Law. That is a much more important issue and if that determination is upheld when the case is finally decided it could move our agenda for positive accessible change forward significantly.

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